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if i am enrolled in medicare part a and b and have federal employees insurarnce what happens

by Prof. Morgan Christiansen I Published 2 years ago Updated 1 year ago
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If your employer has more than 20 employees, Medicare will pay secondary to your group coverage. With small group insurance, we highly recommend enrolling in both Medicare Part A and Part B as soon as you are eligible. If you do not enroll in Medicare once you are eligible, your small employer coverage can refuse to pay your claims.

If you enroll in Part A but decline Part B, your FEHB
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The Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) Program is a system of "managed competition" through which employee health benefits are provided to civilian government employees and annuitants of the United States government.
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coverage will pay after Medicare does for Part A services, but will be your primary insurer for other medical care
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Full Answer

Do federal retirees have to enroll in Medicare Part A and B?

Most people who have retiree coverage must enroll in Medicare Part A and Part B when first eligible. If they don’t enroll, their retiree plan may pay only a small amount – or nothing at all – for their care. Medicare’s rules for you are different, however, if you’re a federal retiree.

What happens if I don’t enroll in Medicare Part B?

WARNING: If you do not enroll in Part B within 8 months of losing your coverage based on current employment, you may have to pay a lifetime late enrollment penalty. In addition, you will only be able to enroll in Part B during the Medicare General Enrollment Period (from January 1 to March 31 each year) and your coverage won’t start until July.

Can my employer force me to enroll in Medicare?

An employer can never force you to drop your group coverage and enroll in Medicare once you turn 65. You can always choose to have Medicare and decline your group plan, but your employer can never force that decision.

Do federal employees with FEHB need to enroll in Medicare Part B?

A federal employee who works past age 65 in federal service and who is enrolled in the FEHB program need not enroll in Medicare Part B as long as he or she continues working in federal service. This will be explained in more detail in a subsequent column.

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Can federal employees have both FEHB and Medicare?

The answer: yes! FEHB coverage is comparable to Medicare coverage. Therefore, beneficiaries in the federal program may delay joining a Part D plan; likewise, they're exempt from any Part D late enrollment penalties.

Do federal employees pay for Medicare Part A?

Most Federal employees and annuitants are entitled to Medicare Part A at age 65 without cost. When you don't have to pay premiums for Medicare Part A, it makes good sense to obtain coverage. It can reduce your out-of-pocket expenses as well as costs to FEHB, which can help keep FEHB premiums down.

What happens to my federal health insurance when I turn 65?

If you are turning 65 years old and you are employed, your coverage continues unreduced.

Do federal employees have to take Medicare Part B?

You don't have to take Part B coverage if you don't want it, and your FEHB plan can't require you to take it. There are some advantages to enrolling in Part B: You must be enrolled in Parts A and B to join a Medicare Advantage plan.

Do most federal retirees take Medicare Part B?

About 70% of federal retirees enroll in Part B, which means paying two premiums and in essence two duplicative insurance programs. A portion of the retirees that join Part B might do so as a hedge against the elimination of FEHB retiree benefits.

How Medicare works with FEHB plans?

Since you are retired but covered under your working spouse's policy, your spouse's policy is your primary coverage. Medicare will pay secondary benefits and your FEHB plan will pay third.

Do federal retirees need Medicare Part B FEHB?

Unlike most people with retiree coverage, who must enroll in Medicare Part A and Part B when they're first eligible, enrollment in Medicare is not mandatory if you have federal retiree coverage through the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHB).

Do federal employees keep their health insurance after retirement?

Unfortunately, federal employees do not receive free health insurance upon retirement. However, federal employees can keep their current federal employee health benefits (FEHB) plan upon retirement. Employees continue to pay the employee portion of the premium.

Do I need both FEHB and Medicare?

Answer #1 —You don't need both. However, to quote OPM “generally, plans under the FEHB program help pay for the same kinds of expenses as Medicare.” In many cases FEHB proves to be more comprehensive, often including emergency care outside the U.S., as well as dental and vision, which Medicare does not cover.

Why do I need Medicare Part B if I have FEHB?

FEHB premiums are not reduced if you enroll in Medicare, but having Medicare Part A and B can allow you to switch to a less expensive version of your current FEHB plan, because some FEHB insurers waive cost-sharing (like deductibles, co-pays and coinsurance) when you have Medicare Parts A and B.

Are federal retirees automatically enrolled in Medicare?

Signing Up for Medicare If you are retired and receiving Social Security you will automatically be enrolled in Part A and B and should receive your Medicare card three months before your 65th birthday.

Is Medicare primary or secondary to FEHB?

primary payerGenerally, if you have Medicare and you (1) are age 65 or older and (2) are not employed in the federal service, Medicare is the primary payer of your health benefits expenses, and your FEHB plan is the secondary payer.

What is Part B in Medicare?

Part B may provide coverage for goods and services for which FEHB give zero or limited coverage. Part B allows you to seek care any health care providers in the U.S. who accepts Medicare, while FEHB policies generally restrict you to a network of participating providers. Because Medicare coordinates benefits with FEHB, ...

What is the cost of Medicare Part B in 2021?

Medicare Part B is optional medical insurance coverage, and it comes with a standard premium of $148.50 per month in 2021. If you are entitled to FEHB and Medicare benefits, Medicare Part B would serve as the primary payer and FEHB would act as the secondary insurance payer.

How to compare Medicare Advantage plans?

If you’re considering enrolling in a Medicare Advantage plan or a Medicare prescription drug plan, you can compare plans online for free or over the phone with the help of a licensed insurance agent. Learn about the costs, coverage and benefits of plans that may be available in your area.

Is FEHB a primary payer?

Part A will serve as your primary health insurance coverage for covered inpatient care and certain home care services, and FEHB will be the secondary payer. There is coordination of benefits between Medicare and FEHB, so the FEHB policy acts as supplemental coverage to Medicare Part A.

Does Medicare have FEHB?

Because Medicare coordinates benefits with FEHB, you may be able to further reduce your out-of-pocket health care spending by pairing Part B with FEHB and taking advantage of the double coverage.

Can you have both Medicare Advantage and Medicare Supplement at the same time?

Medigap plans and Medicare Advantage plans are very different, and you cannot have both types of policies at the same time.

Does Medicare Advantage cover vision?

Medicare Advantage plans provide all of the same basic benefits as Medicare Part A and Part B, and most plans also cover prescription drugs, which Original Medicare doesn’t cover. Many Medicare Advantage plans may also offer routine dental, vision and hearing coverage. These plans come with a monthly premium ...

What happens if you don't get Part B?

NOTE: If you don’t get Part B when you are first eligible, you may have to pay a lifetime late enrollment penalty. However, you may not pay a penalty if you delay Part B because you have coverage based on your (or your spouse’s) current employment.

When do you get Part A and Part B?

You will automatically get Part A and Part B starting the first day of the month you turn 65. (If your birthday is on the first day of the month, Part A and Part B will start the first day of the prior month.)

What is the individual health insurance marketplace?

NOTE: The Individual Health Insurance Marketplace is a place where people can go to compare and enroll in health insurance. In some states the Marketplace is run by the state and in other states it is run by the federal government. The Health Insurance Marketplace was set up through the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

Do you have to pay a penalty if you don't get Part A?

NOTE: If you don’t get Part A and Part B when you are first eligible, you may have to pay a lifetime late enrollment penalty. However, you may not pay a penalty if you delay Part A and Part B because you have coverage based on your (or your spouse’s) current employment.

How long is the Medicare enrollment period?

The initial enrollment period is a seven-month period starting on the first day of the third month preceding the annuitant’s birthday month and ending on the last day of the third month after the annuitant’s birthday month. To enroll in Medicare, an individual should go online to : www.socialsecurity.gov/medicareonly.

When will Alice be eligible for Medicare Part B?

Since Alice’s Medicare Part B becomes effective within one year of her becoming eligible to enroll in Part B (July 1, 2020), Alice will not be subject to a 10 percent late enrollment penalty on her Medicare Part B premium. Federal employees can delay enrollment in Medicare Part B at age 65 because they are either: ...

What is the initial enrollment period for an annuitant?

The initial enrollment period is a seven-month period starting on ...

What is Medicare Select?

The purpose of Medigap or Medicare SELECT policies is to pay any medical expenses not paid for by Medicare. Those expenses include deductibles, co-payments, or those expenses not covered at all by Medicare.

How long does it take for Medicare to go up?

If an individual waits 12 months or more after first becoming eligible for Medicare Part B to enroll, the individual’s Medicare Part B premiums will go up 10 percent for each 12 months that the individual could have had Part B but did not take it.

When will Medicare pay 10 percent?

The individual will pay the extra 10 percent for as long as the individual has Part B. The following example illustrates. From the above, Alice forgets to enroll in Medicare Part B as of January 31, 2021. But she enrolls in Part B during the Medicare special enrollment period between Jan. 1, 2021 and March 31, 2021 with coverage becoming effective ...

When does Alice's Medicare end?

Alice’s Medicare initial enrollment period started on July 1, 2020 and will end on January 31, 2021. A federal employee who works past age 65 in federal service and who is enrolled in the FEHB program need not enroll in Medicare Part B as long as he or she continues working in federal service.

How does Medicare work with other insurance?

When there's more than one payer, "coordination of benefits" rules decide which one pays first. The "primary payer" pays what it owes on your bills first, and then sends the rest to the "secondary payer" (supplemental payer) ...

How many employees does a spouse have to have to be on Medicare?

Your spouse’s employer must have 20 or more employees, unless the employer has less than 20 employees, but is part of a multi-employer plan or multiple employer plan. If the group health plan didn’t pay all of your bill, the doctor or health care provider should send the bill to Medicare for secondary payment.

What is a Medicare company?

The company that acts on behalf of Medicare to collect and manage information on other types of insurance or coverage that a person with Medicare may have, and determine whether the coverage pays before or after Medicare. This company also acts on behalf of Medicare to obtain repayment when Medicare makes a conditional payment, and the other payer is determined to be primary.

How long does it take for Medicare to pay a claim?

If the insurance company doesn't pay the claim promptly (usually within 120 days), your doctor or other provider may bill Medicare. Medicare may make a conditional payment to pay the bill, and then later recover any payments the primary payer should have made. If Medicare makes a. conditional payment.

What is a group health plan?

If the. group health plan. In general, a health plan offered by an employer or employee organization that provides health coverage to employees and their families.

What is the difference between primary and secondary insurance?

The insurance that pays first (primary payer) pays up to the limits of its coverage. The one that pays second (secondary payer) only pays if there are costs the primary insurer didn't cover. The secondary payer (which may be Medicare) may not pay all the uncovered costs.

Which pays first, Medicare or group health insurance?

If you have group health plan coverage through an employer who has 20 or more employees, the group health plan pays first, and Medicare pays second.

What is the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHB)?

The FEHB provides comprehensive health insurance to federal retirees and their spouses. If you qualify for FEHB as a retiree, optional Medicare coverage can lower your out-of-pocket costs, but you’ll have to pay a premium for this extra coverage.

What happens if I decline FEHB coverage?

If you decline FEHB coverage, you would give up the subsidy the government pays toward it, which ranges from a low of about $350 for self-only coverage to $1,000 or more if you’re also covering family members. (These amounts are from premiums for federal employees other the Postal Service, which pays different rates.) If your family members are covered under FEHB, their coverage would end if you terminate yours.

Will I pay less for FEHB premiums if I enroll in Medicare?

FEHB premiums are not reduced if you enroll in Medicare, but having Medicare Part A and B can allow you to switch to a less expensive version of your current FEHB plan, because some FEHB insurers waive cost sharing (like deductibles, co-pays and coinsurance) when you have Medicare Parts A and B. Contact your FEHB insurer if you’re wondering whether your plan waives cost sharing for people enrolled in Medicare.

Should I enroll in Medicare Part D if I have FEHB coverage?

You generally don’t have to sign up for a Part D plan if you are covered through FEHB. The prescription coverage through your FEHB plan may have fewer restrictions (like quantity limits or drugs requiring prior-authorization) than the Part D plans in your area. FEHB plans limit what you’ll have to pay each year in covered medical and prescription drug costs, but Part D plans do not. (Part D enrollees pay an uncapped 5 percent coinsurance after they reach the catastrophic coverage level .) If you do sign up for Part D, it will usually be your primary insurer.

When should I change my FEHB coverage?

You may want to make changes to your FEHB coverage when you are nearing Medicare eligibility, and will have the option to do this starting 30 days before you qualify for Medicare. Changes can only be made once during this window. You can also wait until FEHB Open Season to change your coverage.

Should I suspend my FEHB cover to enroll in other coverage?

You can suspend your enrollment in FEHB to enroll in Medicare Advantage or other eligible coverage by contacting your agency’s retirement system, and providing them documentation that you enrolled. If you do this, you’ll be allowed to leave your Medicare Advantage plan and return to FEHB. You usually have to wait until Medicare’s fall open enrollment and FEHB’s Open Season to re-enroll in FEHB. (These periods coincide.) You won’t have to wait until an enrollment period if your Medicare Advantage plan ends through no fault of your own. In that case, you could re-enroll between 31 days before and 60 days after your Medicare Advantage plan ends. The FEHB coverage would begin the day after the Advantage plan terminates.

Is FEHB covered by Medicare?

While FEHB plans cover most of the same types of expenses that Medicare covers, FEHB plans’ coverage may be more limited than Medicare Part B when it comes to orthopedic and prosthetic devices , durable medical equipment, home healthcare, medical supplies, and chiropractic care.

What happens if you don't sign up for Part A and Part B?

If you don’t sign up for Part A and Part B, your job-based insurance might not cover the costs for services you get.

When do you need to sign up for Medicare?

If the employer has less than 20 employees: You might need to sign up for Medicare when you turn 65 so you don’t have gaps in your job-based health insurance. Check with the employer.

Do I need to get Medicare drug coverage (Part D)?

You can get Medicare drug coverage once you sign up for either Part A or Part B. You can join a Medicare drug plan or Medicare Advantage Plan with drug coverage anytime while you have job-based health insurance, and up to 2 months after you lose that insurance.

What is a Medicare leave period?

A period of time when you can join or leave a Medicare-approved plan.

Do you have to tell Medicare if you have non-Medicare coverage?

Each year, your plan must tell you if your non-Medicare drug coverage is creditable coverage. Keep this information — you may need it when you’re ready to join a Medicare drug plan.

Does Medicare work if you are still working?

If you (or your spouse) are still working, Medicare works a little differently. Here are some things to know if you’re still working when you turn 65.

Does private insurance pay for services?

Some private insurance has rules that lower what they pay (or don’t pay at all) for services you get if you’re eligible for other coverage, like Medicare.

What Happens to My Medicare if I Go Back to Work?

Often, you might retire and later go back to work. If you pause your retirement and your large employer offers you group insurance, you can cancel Part B. When you retire again; you can enroll back into Part B with no penalties.

What determines if you are a primary or secondary employer for Medicare?

The size of your employer will determine how your Medicare benefits will coordinate with your employer coverage. If you’re aging into Medicare while working for an employer with over 20 employees, your group plan is primary and Medicare secondary.

Does Medicare Work With Health Savings Accounts?

When enrolled in any Medicare parts, you CANNOT contribute to a Health Savings Account (HSA). Your employer also can’t contribute to your HSA once your Medicare is active. If you continue to add to your HSA, you could face tax penalties.

What Forms Do I Need to Show Creditable Coverage From an Employer?

You will need your employer to fill out the CMS-L564 form . This form is a request for employment information form. Once the employer completes section B of the form, you can send in the document with your application to enroll in Medicare.

What happens if you leave Medicare without a creditable coverage letter?

Without creditable coverage during the time you’ve been Medicare-eligible, you’ll incur late enrollment penalties. When you leave your group health coverage, the insurance carrier will mail you a creditable coverage letter. You’ll need to show this letter to Medicare to protect yourself from late penalties.

How many employees are eligible for creditable insurance?

For your outpatient and medication insurance, a plan from an employer with over 20 employees is creditable coverage. This safeguards you from having to pay late enrollment penalties for Part B and Part D, respectively.

What happens if you don't have Part B insurance?

If you don’t, your employer’s group plan can refuse to pay your claims. Your insurance might cover claims even if you don’t have Part B, but we always recommend enrolling in Part B. Your carrier can change that at any time, with no warning, leaving you responsible for outpatient costs.

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