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why are gov. retirees not on medicare after 65 years

by Prof. Louisa Lindgren V Published 2 years ago Updated 1 year ago

However, an HSA owner cannot contribute to an HSA if the owner has enrolled in any part of Medicare. That means that those employees who continue working in federal service past age 65 and who are determined to continue contributing to their HSA should not enroll in Medicare Part A at age 65 or later until they retire from federal service.

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What happens if you don’t have Medicare at age 65?

If you’re still working at age 65 and you’re not claiming Social Security benefits, the government will not automatically enroll you in Medicare Part B, which covers doctor’s visits, diagnostic tests, medical equipment, ambulance transportation, and mental health care. 1 7

Can federal employees enroll in Medicare Part A after age 65?

That means that those employees who continue working in federal service past age 65 and who are determined to continue contributing to their HSA should not enroll in Medicare Part A at age 65 or later until they retire from federal service. How Will FEHB Health Care Coverage Work for Post-Age 65 Federal Employees Who Enroll in Medicare Part A?

What happens to retiree health benefits when you turn 65?

If you're not yet 65 but are retired and receiving retiree health benefits from your former employer, make sure you're aware of the employer's rules regarding Medicare. Some employers don't continue to offer retiree health coverage for former employees once they turn 65, opting instead for retirees to transition to being covered solely by Medicare.

Does Medicare Part a cover hospital stays after you turn 65?

If you're still working at age 65 and not claiming Social Security benefits, the government will not automatically enroll you in Medicare Part A, which covers hospital stays. 1

Do retired government employees get Medicare?

Retired federal employees are entitled to Medicare under the same rules as all other retirees.

Do federal employees qualify for Medicare?

Most Federal employees and annuitants are entitled to Medicare Part A at age 65 without cost. When you don't have to pay premiums for Medicare Part A, it makes good sense to obtain coverage. It can reduce your out-of-pocket expenses as well as costs to FEHB, which can help keep FEHB premiums down.

Do most federal retirees enroll in Medicare Part B?

About 70% of federal retirees enroll in Part B, which means paying two premiums and in essence two duplicative insurance programs. A portion of the retirees that join Part B might do so as a hedge against the elimination of FEHB retiree benefits.

Can federal retirees get Medicare Advantage plans?

Federal retirees have Medicare Advantage (MA) plans to consider joining. Our analysis shows that some of these offerings are an outstanding value.

What happens to my FEHB when I turn 65?

Your FEHB coverage will continue whether or not you enroll in Medicare. If you can get premium-free Part A coverage, we advise you to enroll in it. Most Federal employees and annuitants are entitled to Medicare Part A at age 65 without cost.

Can federal employees have both FEHB and Medicare?

The answer: yes! FEHB coverage is comparable to Medicare coverage. Therefore, beneficiaries in the federal program may delay joining a Part D plan; likewise, they're exempt from any Part D late enrollment penalties.

Why do I need Medicare Part B if I have FEHB?

FEHB premiums are not reduced if you enroll in Medicare, but having Medicare Part A and B can allow you to switch to a less expensive version of your current FEHB plan, because some FEHB insurers waive cost-sharing (like deductibles, co-pays and coinsurance) when you have Medicare Parts A and B.

Is Medicare Advantage better than FEHB?

Most MA plans are comparable to FEHB plans in hospital and medical benefits, but the prescription drug benefits will not be as good as in the FEHB program because the plans have a “coverage gap” where you are responsible for all or most drug costs until you reach a catastrophic limit.

Do federal retirees with FEHB need Medicare Part B?

If you are working and have FEHB or you are covered under your spouse's group health insurance plan, then you do not have to enroll in Part B when you turn 65. You will have a special enrollment period when you retire or your spouse retires to enroll in Part B without paying a penalty.

Do you really need Medicare and FEHB as a federal employee?

Yes, the vast majority of the time you are required to get on Medicare A and B at 65 if you are on Tricare even if you are also covered under FEHB or still working.

What is the difference between FEHB and Medicare?

Generally, plans under the FEHB Program help pay for the same kind of expenses as Medicare. FEHB plans also provide coverage for emergency care outside of the United States which Medicare doesn't provide. Some FEHB plans also provide coverage for dental and vision care.

Do I need both FEHB and Medicare?

Answer #1 —You don't need both. However, to quote OPM “generally, plans under the FEHB program help pay for the same kinds of expenses as Medicare.” In many cases FEHB proves to be more comprehensive, often including emergency care outside the U.S., as well as dental and vision, which Medicare does not cover.

When do you need to sign up for Medicare?

If the employer has less than 20 employees: You might need to sign up for Medicare when you turn 65 so you don’t have gaps in your job-based health insurance. Check with the employer.

What is a Medicare leave period?

A period of time when you can join or leave a Medicare-approved plan.

Do I need to get Medicare drug coverage (Part D)?

You can get Medicare drug coverage once you sign up for either Part A or Part B. You can join a Medicare drug plan or Medicare Advantage Plan with drug coverage anytime while you have job-based health insurance, and up to 2 months after you lose that insurance.

What happens if you don't sign up for Part A and Part B?

If you don’t sign up for Part A and Part B, your job-based insurance might not cover the costs for services you get.

Do you have to tell Medicare if you have non-Medicare coverage?

Each year, your plan must tell you if your non-Medicare drug coverage is creditable coverage. Keep this information — you may need it when you’re ready to join a Medicare drug plan.

Does Medicare work if you are still working?

If you (or your spouse) are still working, Medicare works a little differently. Here are some things to know if you’re still working when you turn 65.

Do I need to sign up for Medicare when I turn 65?

It depends on how you get your health insurance now and the number of employees that are in the company where you (or your spouse) work.

Though Medicare eligibility begins at 65, that's not necessarily the ideal age to sign up

For many people, turning 65 is a big milestone, and understandably so. In fact, age 65 is when you're first allowed to get coverage under Medicare.

1. You're still working and have access to a group health plan

Just because you're turning 65 doesn't mean you're on the cusp on retirement. You may still have plans to work another few years -- or longer.

2. You're retired but are still covered under your spouse's group health plan

The penalties that come with not enrolling in Medicare on time only apply if you don't have access to an eligible group health plan. It may be the case that you're retired and don't have employer benefits at all.

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How long do you have to enroll in Medicare after retirement?

To avoid a late enrollment penalty, they need to enroll in Medicare Part B within 8 months following their retirement date from federal service.

What happens if you miss the 8 month Medicare enrollment deadline?

If they miss the eight-month deadline, then they will have to wait until the following Jan. 1st to enroll in Part B during the Medicare Part A and Part B “open-season”. Medicare Part A and Part B has an “open-season” for enrolling in Parts A and B each year between January 1st and March 31st. Medicare coverage then becomes effective the following July 1st. However, by enrolling after the eight-month period following the retiree’s retirement date from federal service, the annuitant will be subject to a late enrollment penalty. The penalty applied to the Medicare Part B monthly premium is permanent and is equal to 10 percent per year for every year the annuitant has not been in enrolled in Part B and could have been. The penalty period starts from the month the annuitant should have been enrolled in Medicare Part B but was not enrolled and ends on the last day of the last month the annuitant was not enrolled in Part B.

What is the cost of Medicare Part B?

As shown in the table below, the standard Part B premium amount in 2020 is $144.60. Most people will pay the standard Part B premium amount. If one’s modified adjusted gross income as reported on the individual’s federal income tax return from two years ago is above a certain amount, then the individual will pay the standard premium amount and an Income Related Monthly Adjustment Amount (IRMAA). IRMAA is an extra charge added to your premium.

When does FEHB affect Medicare?

An important question becomes how FEHB program health coverage affects Medicare coverage once an employee becomes age 65 and is therefore eligible to enroll in Medicare. This column discusses Medicare issues facing federal employees who continue to work in federal service past age 65.

How much is Medicare payroll tax?

The rule is that if an individual has been working and paying the Medicare payroll (Hospital Insurance) tax (currently equal to 1.45 percent of an individual’s gross wages and matched by the individual’s employer) ...

When does Carla retire from FEHB?

Example. Carla, age 65, will retire from federal service on Dec. 31, 2020 and has been enrolled in the FEHB program her entire career (“self only” coverage). Carla is married to Ken, also a federal employee and who is also enrolled in the FEHB program (“self only” coverage). Ken intends to retire from federal service at age 67 on Dec. 31, 2022. During the next FEHB “open season” (November 9, 2020 – December 14, 2020), Carla will elect to become part of Ken’s FEHB coverage (“self plus one” coverage), effective January 3, 2021. In so doing, Carla will not have to enroll in Medicare Part B until Ken retires (Dec. 31, 2022). She will have 8 months from the time Ken retires (Dec. 31, 2022) (that is, Jan. 1, 2023 – Aug. 31, 2023) to go to a Social Security office to enroll in Medicare Part B without incurring a late enrollment penalty. In so doing, Carla will avoid paying two years’ (2021 and 2022) worth of Medicare Part B premiums.

When did federal employees start paying payroll taxes?

Federal employees have been paying the Medicare Part A payroll tax since Jan. 1, 1983. They and their spouses (if married at least 10 years) are therefore eligible to enroll in Part A at no monthly premium cost once they become age 65. Most federal employees are also enrolled in the FEHB program and most employees are eligible and continue their FEHB insurance throughout their retirement.

When do retirees stop receiving Medicare?

Some Retiree Health Plans Terminate at Age 65. If you're not yet 65 but are retired and receiving retiree health benefits from your former employer, make sure you're aware of the employer's rules regarding Medicare. Some employers don't continue to offer retiree health coverage for former employees once they turn 65, ...

Why Are You Forced Into Medicare?

If you or your spouse worked for at least 10 years in a job where Medicare taxes were withheld (including self-employment where you paid your own self-employment taxes), you'll become automatically eligible for Medicare once you turn 65.

What are the other parts of Medicare?

That includes Medicare Part B (outpatient coverage) and Part D (prescription coverage), as well as supplemental Medigap plans.

How much will Medicare pay in 2020?

In 2020, most Medicare Part B enrollees pay $144.60/month. 7  So a person who is now enrolled but had delayed their enrollment in Medicare Part B by 40 months would be paying an extra 30% in addition to those premiums (40 months is three full 12-month periods; the extra four months aren't counted).

What happens if you delay your Medicare enrollment?

So if you delay your enrollment, you could be paying higher premiums when you eventually do enroll, and you'll have to wait until an open enrollment period in order to have access to coverage. If you're only enrolled in Part A, for example, and you get diagnosed with a serious illness in April, you'll have to wait until the following January to have Part D coverage, and until the following July—more than a year in the future—to have Part B coverage.

What is the Medicare Part D penalty for 2020?

In 2020, the national base beneficiary amount is $32.74/month. 9  Medicare Part D premiums vary significantly from one plan to another, but the penalty amount isn't based on a percentage of your specific plan—it's based instead on a percentage of the national base beneficiary amount.

How much would Medicare pay if you delayed enrollment?

So a person who delayed Medicare Part D enrollment by 27 months would be paying an extra $8.84/month (27% of $32.74) , on top of their Part D plan's monthly premium in 2020. A person who had delayed their Part D enrollment by 52 months would be paying an extra $17.02/month.

Do I need to get Medicare drug coverage (Part D)?

Prescription drug coverage that provides the same value to Medicare Part D. It could include drug coverage from a current or former employer or union, TRICARE, Indian Health Service, VA, or individual health insurance coverage.

What happens if you miss the 8 month special enrollment period?

If you miss this 8-month Special Enrollment Period, you’ll have to wait to sign up and go months without coverage. You might also pay a monthly penalty for as long as you have Part B. The penalty goes up the longer you wait to sign up.

When does the 8 month special enrollment period start?

Your 8-month Special Enrollment Period starts when you stop working, even if you choose COBRA or other coverage that’s not Medicare.

What is a Medicare leave period?

A period of time when you can join or leave a Medicare-approved plan.

How long can you join a health insurance plan?

You can join a plan anytime while you have job-based health insurance, and up to 2 months after you lose that insurance.

Do you have to tell Medicare if you have non-Medicare coverage?

Each year your plan must tell you if your non-Medicare drug coverage is creditable coverage. Keep this information — you may need it when you’re ready to join a Medicare drug plan. (Don’t send this information to Medicare.)

Does Cobra end with Medicare?

Your COBRA coverage will probably end when you sign up for Medicare. (If you get Medicare because you have End-Stage Renal Disease and your COBRA coverage continues, it will pay first.)

How long is the GI window for Medicare?

However, your GI window is only 63 days long, and does not apply to every Medigap plan. If you were eligible for Medicare prior to 2020, you can get GI for Plan A, B, C, F, K, and L. If you became eligible for Medicare in 2020 or later, the GI is available to you for Plan A, B, D, G, K, and L.

How to get Medicare documents from Social Security?

There are several ways to get these documents to Social Security to prove you had creditable coverage and have a Special Enrollment Period to apply for Medicare. You may upload the forms to the Social Security site while you are applying, mail the forms to Social Security, take them in-person to your local office, or in some situations, you may fax them. Based on feedback from our clients, uploading them to the Social Security site while you are applying for Medicare tends to achieve the fastest processing results.

How long is the Medigap open enrollment period?

Your Medigap Open Enrollment window is a 6-month period that begins the day your Part B starts.

How long does it take to get backdated Social Security?

If you apply for Part A (and Social Security) and you are six months or more beyond your full retirement age, you will get six months of backdated benefits from Social Security. Since Social Security and Medicare Part A go hand-in-hand, this means your Part A effective date will also retroact six months.

What to do if employer cannot complete CMS L564?

If your employer cannot complete their portion of Form CMS-L564, you can complete Section A, leave Section B blank, and include at least one other acceptable proof of group health coverage. Proof of creditable coverage may include but is not limited to:

Can you delay Medicare if you are 65?

By delaying Medicare and staying on employer coverage past 65, you will have a different enrollment process when it comes time to retire than those who enroll during their Initial Enrollment Period (IEP).

Is Medicare Part D voluntary?

Medicare Part D. If you have delayed Medicare Parts A and B, you have also delayed Part D. Enrolling in Part D is voluntary but even if you do not currently take prescription drugs, it is in your best interest to enroll to avoid penalties for signing up late.

What happens if you don't sign up for Medicare?

Therefore, if you are required to sign up for Medicare but don’t, you’ll essentially be left with little or no health coverage.

How long can you delay Medicare enrollment?

En español | If you’re over 65 and receive coverage under a group health plan provided by an employer for which you or your spouse actively works, you have the right to delay Medicare enrollment until the job ends or the coverage ends — whichever occurs first. At that point, you’re entitled to a special enrollment period of up to eight months to sign up for Medicare without risking late penalties.

How long do you have to sign up for Medicare?

At that point, you’re entitled to a special enrollment period of up to eight months to sign up for Medicare without risking late penalties. If the employer has 20 or more employees, the law stipulates that those 65 and older (and their spouses) must be offered exactly the same health benefits that are offered to younger employees ...

Will I automatically get Medicare when I turn 65?

Yes, if you are eligible for Social Security benefits. However, if you're still working at age 65 and not claiming Social Security benefits, the government will not automatically enroll you in Medicare Part A. 1

How do I sign up for Medicare?

Otherwise, you will have to sign up online, call Social Security 1-800-772-1213, or reach out to a local Social Security office. 9

What happens if you don't get Social Security at 65?

If you’re still working at age 65 and you’re not claiming Social Security benefits, the government will not automatically enroll you in Medicare Part A, which covers hospital stays. 1 

Why do people want to enroll in Medicare Part A?

Most people will want to enroll in Medicare Part A no matter what, because most people can get it without paying any premiums.

How long do you have to enroll in Part B?

If it doesn’t, you should enroll in Part B to avoid paying the premium penalty that’s imposed if you don’t enroll in Part B within eight months of becoming eligible for it. 1 .

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What happens if you don't enroll in tricare?

However, you losing your creditable coverage should trigger a special enrollment period for Part B (generally people would have Part B and TRICARE, but if TRICARE was considered creditable coverage for you, then it shouldn’t be the case).

How does Obamacare work?

Here is How ObamaCare Works if You are Over 65, But Don't Qualify For Medicare . You’re over 65 but not eligible for Medicare. You are eligible to get coverage on HealthCare.gov (the ObamaCare marketplace). If you meet the qualifications based on income and family size, you are eligible for cost-saving subsidies, too.

What is the poverty level for Medicaid?

ps. In some states you may have Medicaid options if your income is below 138% of the poverty level.

Do you have to have Medicare if you are over 65?

You don’t have any health coverage. If you are over 65 the fee for not having coverage still applies to you. Whether you get a Marketplace plan, get Medicare, or keep a retiree plan from a previous employer you are covered.

Is Medicare.Gov a good place to start?

If you are Medicare age a great place to start your journey is Medicare .Gov, if not then Healthcare.gov is best. It isn’t that these are your only options, it is that this is a good place to start when you are confused. Enrolling in Medicare is a little complex and must be done during open enrollment periods.

Can an elder relative get medicaid?

An elder relative who is 65 years of age, permanent legal resident, he is qualified not qualified for medicare as he does not have enough work credits. He could not get the medicaid as it automatically kept putting him on medicare. What would be the best next step of actions for him?

Can my mother get Medicaid in New York?

New York has expanded Medicaid and your mother would qualify for Medicaid because she has no income. In addition, you may also be able to be included in your tax family as a qualifying relative and claimed as your dependent. This would allow you to apply for health insurance together and for you to claim an additional dependent exemption and filing as head of household (assuming you couldn’t already), which could potentially lower your tax burden.

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